How important are power cables and power filters?

[AltecLansingFan]

Ok, maybe the whole story about cables and shielding or filtering is bull shit, I don't know.
The only thing I know are opinions from other people or reviews everywhere on the internet.
The best way to be sure is to try out something, and I read some good reviews about this net filter
http://stores.ebay.com/DSS-Verkauf?_trksid=p4340.l2563 I think I'm going to buy this one for a try out.
And for cables Furutech seems to be very good, but I think much or 2x much to expensive.
So for the cables, shielded or double shielded, there must be a much cheaper solution.
That's my first "job" tomorrow, find some good cables, and find out some prices.

[voice of the theater]

Ok, maybe the whole story about cables and shielding or filtering is bull shit, I don't know.
The only thing I know are opinions from other people or reviews everywhere on the internet.
The best way to be sure is to try out something, and I read some good reviews about the DSS NZ 4000 power filter
http://stores.ebay.com/DSS-Verkauf?_trksid=p4340.l2563 I think I'm going to buy this one for a try out.
And for cables Furutech seems to be very good, but I think much or 2x much to expensive.
So for the cables, shielded or double shielded, there must be a much cheaper solution.
That's my first "job" tomorrow, find some good cables, and find out some prices.

Nothing beats trying something out for yourself. You can read all the reviews in the world, but often times the only review that really carries much weight is your own. Not to mention when you try it out yourself you see how something performs under your specific/actual conditions--not how it performs at someone else's house under different conditions. If you're going to spring for some of this stuff and if it's expensive (like a power filter etc. might be), some places let you return certain items within 30 days if you're not completely satisfied for any reason--those are good places to buy stuff that you want to "try out" that you're not sure will work for your specific application. One reason I posted about the $147 duplex outlet was to give you an idea of how much money people will waste chasing rainbows/throw at a problem.....

[Old Guy]

Ok, maybe the whole story about cables and shielding or filtering is bull shit, I don't know.
The only thing I know are opinions from other people or reviews everywhere on the internet.
The best way to be sure is to try out something, and I read some good reviews about the DSS NZ 4000 power filter
http://stores.ebay.com/DSS-Verkauf?_trksid=p4340.l2563 I think I'm going to buy this one for a try out.
And for cables Furutech seems to be very good, but I think much or 2x much to expensive.
So for the cables, shielded or double shielded, there must be a much cheaper solution.
That's my first "job" tomorrow, find some good cables, and find out some prices.

????? Very weird reply?

I said most cables were bullshit and filters can help. NOBODY in this thread said filtering was bullshit. I have no idea where you are coming from on that?

As far as that filter, it is impossible that it works any better than a GOOD ten dollar one. There ARE laws to physics, and you DO NOT listen to the power source. You listen to it after it has been turned to DC then modulated by the tubes and transistors in your gear.

And as far as good power cables almost any adequate cable is a good cable.

Spend what you want. I won't argue, but please don't post we said filtering was bull when we did NOT.

And I would just as soon not hear about random opinions from the net. If the person holding the opinion has no credentials the opinion is worthless. Sorry.

There is always a following, even for the worst item on the market, there are people who bought it. Lotsa people claim their white van speakers are great, ignorance is bliss...

I guess we will get to a point where people will be auditioning boutique power filters.

As far as opinions on the internet, there are many. Listen to idiots or listen to somebody with 50 years in audio. it's your money.

You can find ANY opinion you want on the internet.

I have one final question...you had already bought into the hype before you posted, you got good advice and did not even consider it. Why did you bother asking?

[voice of the theater]

....I read some good reviews about the DSS NZ 4000 power filter
http://stores.ebay.com/DSS-Verkauf?_trksid=p4340.l2563 I think I'm going to buy this one for a try out.

OMG, I just clicked on the link and even though it's not in English (is it in German?) it looks like it's $422 for the power filter you're considering--ouch! Way too much!!! I hope it's Wattgate (381 Audio Grade Duplex Socket) compatible......:doh:

[AltecLansingFan]

OMG, I just clicked on the link and even though it's not in English (is it in German?) it looks like it's $422 for the power filter you're considering--ouch! Way too much!!! I hope it's Wattgate (381 Audio Grade Duplex Socket) compatible......:doh:

Yes I bought it, but not for 422 euros, I payed only 152 euro (ebay bidding)
When I get the right cables, you will hear the results.

[bfish]

... you DO NOT listen to the power source. You listen to it after it has been turned to DC then modulated by the tubes and transistors in your gear...

Worthy of repeating for emphasis! Invest your $ in better signal chain gear.

[AltecLansingFan]

????? Very weird reply?

I said most cables were bullshit and filters can help. NOBODY in this thread said filtering was bullshit. I have no idea where you are coming from on that?

As far as that filter, it is impossible that it works any better than a GOOD ten dollar one. There ARE laws to physics, and you DO NOT listen to the power source. You listen to it after it has been turned to DC then modulated by the tubes and transistors in your gear.

And as far as good power cables almost any adequate cable is a good cable.

Spend what you want. I won't argue, but please don't post we said filtering was bull when we did NOT.

And I would just as soon not hear about random opinions from the net. If the person holding the opinion has no credentials the opinion is worthless. Sorry.

There is always a following, even for the worst item on the market, there are people who bought it. Lotsa people claim their white van speakers are great, ignorance is bliss...

I guess we will get to a point where people will be auditioning boutique power filters.

As far as opinions on the internet, there are many. Listen to idiots or listen to somebody with 50 years in audio. it's your money.

You can find ANY opinion you want on the internet.

I have one final question...you had already bought into the hype before you posted, you got good advice and did not even consider it. Why did you bother asking?

Sorry I didn't mean you when I was talking about bullshit, don't take that personal.
But there are some people, maybe also on this forum when we are talking about cables and filtering, they always come with the same story from a guy named Daniel Jackson.
I know that story, that's a very old story, almost everybody knows that story, but I don't know if his conclusion really is the truth, because I didn't try it out.

That's the reason why I talked about bullshit, but that is also the reason why I want to try it out myself, sorry I want to be sure.

I was already planning to buy a power filter, but I was not quiet sure, after you talked about the Corcom filter, I decided to try it also.

[Old Guy]

Sorry I didn't mean you when I was talking about bullshit, don't take that personal.
But there are some people, maybe also on this forum when we are talking about cables and filtering, they always come with the same story from a guy named Daniel Jackson.
I know that story, that's a very old story, almost everybody knows that story, but I don't know if his conclusion really is the truth, because I didn't try it out.

That's the reason why I talked about bullshit, but that is also the reason why I want to try it out myself, sorry I want to be sure.

I was already planning to buy a power filter, but I was not quiet sure, after you talked about the Corcom filter, I decided to try it also.

The Corcom will require a little DIY as you just get the filter, not wired up in a box.

The noise component is actually very small, a minute part of the power. Noise filters are a mature technology..nothing new in probably 3 decades. So to buy a $400 one is ludicrous. Million dollar computers use those ten dollar Corcom filters. Don't you think they would use the $400 one if it worked better? Corcom is not the only good brand BTW, I just happen to know them.

Money would be better spent on the $300 sine wave backup that was mentioned. At least there is a CHANCE it will improve things. And you have over a hundred left.

The UPS will also correct power sag and brownouts, something no filter will do.


Again sorry, but my professional opinion is only a moron would buy a $400 power filter.

And funny ONE person mentions Daniel Jackson and you pretty much dismiss the whole thread. Your mind was already made up.